excellent observation from zizek about communist regimes: they didn’t care if people accepted the ideology or took it seriously, so long as people acted as if the ideology was true, that was the important thing.
in fact the regimes were deeply suspicious people who took the ideology too seriously.
people who took the ideology seriously were dangerous because they were prone to noticing the inconsistencies and flaws in the system.
Someone else on another topic posted a comment that rings true about JW's, sorry I cant find the posters name.
Basically, JW's claim to have deep-seated, personal convictions, but in reality it just isn't true.
Their deep-seated, personal convictions are whatever the latest Watchtower tells them to have.
excellent observation from zizek about communist regimes: they didn’t care if people accepted the ideology or took it seriously, so long as people acted as if the ideology was true, that was the important thing.
in fact the regimes were deeply suspicious people who took the ideology too seriously.
people who took the ideology seriously were dangerous because they were prone to noticing the inconsistencies and flaws in the system.
Really interesting way to look at it SBF.
I posted about the zizek trilemma a month or 2 ago because it resonated so well with me as to the behaviour of high control groups, including JW's.
Intelligence and honesty are not as important as loyalty, in fact, those qualities are dangerous to the organisation. Loyalty above all - even truth.
i've never been that big on video/computer games but i used to have a ps2 and my absolute fav game was star wars battlefront ii, released by pandemic in 2005.. you could choose to play as three different classes of soldier and fight for the rebels, the imperials, the republic or the battle droids.
as you played and gained points by killing the enemy, you could unlock a fourth and fifth class of soldier.
you could also play as a hero or villain - such as darth vader, luke skywalker, princess leia, etc.. there was something absolutely awesome playing as darth vader and cutting down or force-choking rebel soldiers on the tantive iv.. .
Wow, too many to list.
Any kids of the 80's , like me, will remember their childhoods with the release of the very first home consoles, the first hand-held games, arcade games, pinballs, Nintendo's, Sega's, Playstations, then, the rise of home computing, the world wide web, PC games and MMORPG's.
To anyone not into video games, it may interest you to know that there are websites, like Twitch, that allow players to stream the games as they are playing, to anyone who wants to log in and watch them. So, if you have kids, and they aren't playing video games, there is a good chance they and their friends are watching someone play. The best players are known worldwide, have fans numbering in the hundred thousands, or millions, and make ridiculous sums of money.
Then there are E-sports, where professional video game players compete in packed arenas for millions of dollars in prize money, all streamed to a worldwide audience.
To answer your question, loveuni, hard to pick a favourite. Maybe Ark- survival evolved??
i came across this article written in 2004 by an evangelical.. “when did jerusalem fall?”, rodger young, journal of the evangelical society [jets], 47/1 (march 2004), 21-38.. http://www.rcyoung.org/articles/jerusalem.pdf .
these are the conclusions of the 18-page analysis.
(1) jerusalem fell in the fourth month (tammuz) of 587 bc.
Scholar, you do realise that if 607 was right - which it isn't, you still cant arrive mathematically at 1914.
The years in the prophecy are 360 day years, clearly stated in the orgs publications.
You are using 365 day years to arrive at 1914, which is impossible.
i came across this article written in 2004 by an evangelical.. “when did jerusalem fall?”, rodger young, journal of the evangelical society [jets], 47/1 (march 2004), 21-38.. http://www.rcyoung.org/articles/jerusalem.pdf .
these are the conclusions of the 18-page analysis.
(1) jerusalem fell in the fourth month (tammuz) of 587 bc.
I should know better than to jump back into this post but it is an interesting subject.
Scholars date the book of Daniel to just the first half of the second century bc, long after the events happened. The book is not included in the list of prophets in the Jewish canon, which was finalised around 200 bc, apparently because it hadn't been written by then.
i haven’t been on here in awhile and this is my second user name because i was busted by my pimi wife on the first one.
i have been basically awake since 2013. i have a super dub wife that i love and don’t want to lose and my sick mom in the hall that is a true believer.
stupid religion has gotten between my wife and i (of course).
I have been having conversations with still in friends who also happen to be elders.
At first it was ok, they gave a pretence of giving me a listening ear but as my questions got too hard they started going into robotic Borg mode.
This period was the period when they would just link articles from JW org and expect it to magically answer all of my questions and concerns. As an elder, maybe you have dealt with people in your cong in a similar manner.
After going around in circles with my friends, it all comes down to whether you believe in the gb. It doesn't matter how logical and reasonable your questions are. The conversation will usually devolve to that critical point.
What I have learned is that once you have laid your cards on the table, that's it. They can treat you how they see fit, they can shun you, or run you down to others. You have given them power over you, to an extent.
It all depends on whether you plan to keep any of your current friends because if you are hoping things remain pretty much the same, it is probably better to just fade.
On the other hand, if you couldn't give a rats a$$, then go out in a blaze of glory. 😎
i came across this article written in 2004 by an evangelical.. “when did jerusalem fall?”, rodger young, journal of the evangelical society [jets], 47/1 (march 2004), 21-38.. http://www.rcyoung.org/articles/jerusalem.pdf .
these are the conclusions of the 18-page analysis.
(1) jerusalem fell in the fourth month (tammuz) of 587 bc.
The struggle to reconcile a belief that your intelligence tells you is dishonest, while maintaining loyalty to the control group applies universally, including JW's.
Another term for it is cognitive dissonance, and its what you are experiencing now.
Luckily for you, Scholar, there are a lot of threads on this forum that can help. 👍
i came across this article written in 2004 by an evangelical.. “when did jerusalem fall?”, rodger young, journal of the evangelical society [jets], 47/1 (march 2004), 21-38.. http://www.rcyoung.org/articles/jerusalem.pdf .
these are the conclusions of the 18-page analysis.
(1) jerusalem fell in the fourth month (tammuz) of 587 bc.
High control groups place a much greater value on loyalty than honesty.
i came across this article written in 2004 by an evangelical.. “when did jerusalem fall?”, rodger young, journal of the evangelical society [jets], 47/1 (march 2004), 21-38.. http://www.rcyoung.org/articles/jerusalem.pdf .
these are the conclusions of the 18-page analysis.
(1) jerusalem fell in the fourth month (tammuz) of 587 bc.
Sorry scholar, your last post is one of the most unclear sentence structures I have read.
I still say you are trolling us.
i came across this article written in 2004 by an evangelical.. “when did jerusalem fall?”, rodger young, journal of the evangelical society [jets], 47/1 (march 2004), 21-38.. http://www.rcyoung.org/articles/jerusalem.pdf .
these are the conclusions of the 18-page analysis.
(1) jerusalem fell in the fourth month (tammuz) of 587 bc.
joey jojo
Sorry. That opinion does not work for the Bible clearly shows that the 70 years ended with the Return of the Jewish Exiles in 537 BCE and not with the Fall of Babylon in 539 BCE. In 539 BCE the Jews were still in Babylon not yet then released and Judah was still desolated so such a hypothesis is impossible.
scholar JW
And yet, the bible says:
12 “But when the seventy years are fulfilled, I will punish the king of Babylon and his nation, the land of the Babylonians,[b] for their guilt,” declares the Lord, “and will make it desolate forever.
Pretty clear.
Its amazing how JWs will tell you that the bible is the ultimate authority (except when it goes against WTS doctrine).
